#10 - Brian Kruckenberg & JJ Spreitzer on their journey to have new conversations at New City Church

Brian Kruckenberg is Lead Pastor and JJ Spreitzer is Family Ministries Director at New City Church in Phoenix. They are on a journey of asking questions, listening, helping their congregation process the abortion issue, and changing the conversation in their church.

We talk about grace, mistakes, labels and God's transformational journey for all of us.