#20 - Pastors Tim Ahlman and Jake Boessling on changing the conversation in their church

Tim Ahlman and Jake Boessling pastor Christ's Greenfield Lutheran Church in Gilbert, AZ. They want to reflect the heart of Jesus in how they address abortion in their church, and talk about the journey they have been on to do that. They also host their own podcast, Lead Time, so we talk about leadership practices that help us all enter into difficult topics and try to engage them like Jesus would.